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Breeding History of Kennel v. Fürstenfeld

By Bitten Jönssen

The information you will find here, are due to the research we have done ourselves,
and was made possible through various breeding records.

It is actually amazing to see, what the breeders have achieved in a period of 100 years. Going back into the history of how the Dobermann became Dobermann. One discovers that the Dobermanns are the worlds largest crossbreeds of pure breeds of today. Some of the dogs, which we know, that are represented are

Mastiff, Rottweiler, German Pinscher, German Dogge, German Shepherd,
Manchester Terrier, Gordon Setter, Weimaraner, Greyhound

Some of these dogs, have had minor or major influence to the breed of our magnificent, noble Dobermann of today. One can only say, that the breeders of that time, have had the feeling, knowledge and the ability to select the correct dogs for future breeds. Up through time, there have been and still are many distinguished breeders, among them Herman Palmer, the founder of

Kennel Fürstenfeld

Being a fancier and breeder of Dobermanns for some years, and having the opportunity, through stud books and other available literature, to analyze and follow other breeders combinations and the outcome, I have always been very fascinated with the Fürstenfeld dogs. In the following, I will try to describe the combinations which came out of this kennel and these dog's importance to the breed of today.

The Fürstenfeld kennel produced it's first litter around 1954. A-litter. This litter was out of

Nord Germania (69617) and Freya v. Karlsfeld

There were 6 puppies (1 female/5 males); what became of these dogs we do not know. We do know, that Palmer was not satisfied with the litter - the tan/markings should have been darker - so he sold both parents - Nord went to Finland (kennel Günthersforst).

The 07.12.1956, the B-litter was born, from which the distinguished Bordo sprang. He should later show to be of great significance to the future breed of Fürstenfeld and other breeders of that time. He was out of
  Lump v. Hagenstolz (70473) X Inka v.d. Nordburg (74721)  

Alf v. Hagenfreund Alex v. Kleinwaldheim

Ajax vom Simbach
Carola vom Südharz
Amsel von Hagenstolz Dieter v. Willersee
Asta von Gross Hagen
Dina v. Klockenhof Alex v. Kleinwaldheim Ajax v. Simbach
Carola vom Südharz
Addi v. Hagenstolz Dieter v. Willersee
Asta v. Gross Hagen

Pedigree Inka v.d. Nordburg:

Nord Germania

 

Cäsar v. Klockenhof Alex v. Kleinwaldheim
Addi v. Hagenstolz
Ester Germania Frido v. Fürstenlager
Draga Germania
Edda v. Nordburg Bordo von Angelburg Casso v. Kleinwaldheim
Hertha v.d. Brunoberg
Anita v. Sundernkamp Fels v.d. Barlingen
Dina v.d. Brunoburg

A year went by, but then, on the 21.01.1958 the C-litter was born, from which Cito and Citta sprang. Dogs, which later showed to be of very high significance to the future Fürstenfeld breed and the Dobermann as such. They were out of:

Lump v. Hagenstolz
X
Carmen v. Felsingpass (71553)

Pedigree Carmen v. Felsingpass:

Ingo v. Naunhof Amor v. Haus Bormes Alf v.d. Geer
Addi Minerva
Gitta v. d. Süchtelner Höhen Dux v. Rotbachtal
Christel v. Ansbornquelle
Hede v. Felsingpass Boris v. Rehwalde Peter v. Wiesengrund
Elfe v. Simbach
Ada v. Satoriushof Alf v. Spessart
Olli v. Friedewald

The litters D (born 21.04.1959) and E (born 10.03.1960) were repetitions of the C-litter.

On 12.03.1960 the F-litter was born. This was the first attempt to linebreed on the C and B litter. Cito (76169) and Bella (75541).

Later the same year (01.05) the G-litter was born. We know there were 6 puppies in this litter - 2 males/4 females. The female "Goldine" went to the Günthersforst kennel in Finland and the female Gina should later show to be the proud mother of Argus v. Neroberg. A male of high significance to the breed of his time - grandfather to the prominent

Gravin Wietske v. Neerlands Stam

The G-litter was out of:

Cito X Assi v. Golinka (71512)

Assi v. Golinka was out of:

Bruno v. Mühlberg X Asta v. Bibertal

In 1961 the following litters were born. H litter (04.01) out of:

Dirk v. Goldberg (76137) X Citta (76173)

Dirk, a very popular male and out of the strong breedings from the Hagenstolz kennel. He was also the grandfather of Odin v. Forell - again bloodlines of very high significance to the breed of today.

Pedigree Dirk v. Goldberg:

Muck v. Hagenstolz Alf v. Hagenfreund Alex v. Kleinwaldheim
Amsel v. Hagenstolz
Kitty v. Hagenstolz Amor v. Haus Bormes
Dina v. Klockenhof
Nette v. Hagenstolz Alf v. d. Wolzenberg Dieter v. Willersee
Halapa v. Hagenstolz
Beate v. Goldberg Alex v. Kleinwaldheim
Halapa v. Hagenstolz

I-litter (26.03.) out of Cito and Tonka Germania (76082). The Dam Tonka, was a very strong bred female and 3/4 sister to Cito. One of the females out of this combination, Ina, should later prove to be of very high importance to the future Fürstenfeld breedings.

Pedigree Tonka Germania:

Lump v. Hagenstolz Alf v. Hagenfreund Alex v. Kleinwaldheim
Amsel v. Hagenstolz
Dina v. Klockenhof Alex v. Kleinwaldheim
Addi v. Hagenstolz
Gilda v. Wellborg Cäsar von Klockenhof Alex v. Kleinwaldheim
Addi v. Hagenstolz
Mona Germania Ajax Germania
Ester Germania

J-litter (12.06) and out of: Bordo and Carmen. From this litter, the female Jutta proved her importance at the Fürstenfeld kennel and her litter mate Jago, had great influence in connection with the Eichenhain kennel, by being the father to the A-litter and therefore also very important to other breeders, who founded their breed on this litter, and with success. Such as the kennels Forellenbächle and Veste Ozberg.

The K-litter(01.01.62), L-litter (12.12.62) and the M-litter (13.06.63) were all line breedings out of Bordo and Citta. One of the more important dogs out of the K-litter, was the male “Kandy”. He was owned by the judge, breeder and founder of the Kennel Frankenland - Leo Schellmann.

Out of the M-litter, 3 dogs had the opportunity to provided our dogs of today, with their important bloodline. Miko, Meckie & Mascha  

Miko was the father of Palma v. Ellendonk (the mother of Bingo v. Ellendonk).

Meckie was the father of Armin-Meckie v. Rotenfeld.

Mascha, proved her importance through Kennel Bavaria, founded by the president of the German Dobermann Club and distinguished judge Hans Wieblishauser.

The N-litter was born 1963 and out of: Cito & Jutta (77552).

In 1964 the O-litter was born (01.04.) and the result of strong line breeding between: Cito & Ina (77492). The female Orsa should later prove her importance through the future Fürstenfeld breed. Her litter mate “Odin” - which later was exported out of Germany - accordingly proved his importance to the breed.

The P-litter (01.06.64.) was a repetition of the litters K/L/M. Unfortunately there were only two puppies in this litter - a male & a female.

The following litters were born in 1965. R-litter (02.03.) out of Cito & Blacky of Fayette Corner (öhzb dp7863) Blacky herself, was out of Cito & Anka of Fayette Corner (litter sister to the very popular male Arco). This combination should later prove to be very important through the male “Rado”. He was imported to Holland by the Kennel Neerlands Stam, where he sired many very good puppies. He was a very popular stud of his time. He was later sold to Asia.

Pedigree Blacky of Fayette Corner:

Odin v. Ansbornquelle Boris v. Bellerburg Troll v. Württemburg
Almut v. d. Nethe
Katja v.d. Alten Linde Alf v. Niederrhein
Anka v. Woltensdorf
Aga of Fayette Corner Citto v. Fürstenfeld Lump v. Hagenstolz
Carmen v. Felsingpass
Peggy v. Hünglbrunn Ori v. Hünglbrunn
Menna v. Hünglbrunn

The S-litter (24.03.) could be said to be a not normal combination out of kennel Fürstenfeld, because here we have:

Bill von Burgstall (77869) X Aga of Fayette Corner (öhzb dp7763)

- litter sister to Arco.

Pedigree Bill v. Burgstall:

Citto v. Fürstenfeld Lump v. Hagenstolz Alf v. Hagenfreund
Dina v. Klockenhof
Carmen v. Felsingpass Igon v. Naunhof
Hede v. Felsingpass
Jessy v. Kaisersteg Droll v.d. Felkestadt Panther v. Fürstenlager
Bessie v.d. Felkestadt
Anka v. Steinernen Haus Rex v. Württemburg
Ebba v. Forell

The T-litter (01.04.) out of Bill v. Burgstall & Ina (77492). There has not been info available concerning the importance of these two litters.

The same year, the combination between Bordo & Cita was repeated and produced the U-litter (23.05.)

In 1966 the very famous V-litter was born (20.04.) Again we see the combination between Bordo & Cita. The most significant dogs were Verry, Vello and Vilja 3 dogs you definitely will recognize in more or less any combination of today.

Verry was not used as often as Vello, but has proved important to the breed in Eastern Europe and Russia.

Vello, on the other hand, we see behind any important stud or female. He especially proved important to the Forell, Mühlenbirke & Wilden Markgraf kennels

Through his popularity, he off course had and still has tremendous influence to the bred. He was the father of Bonni, Bryan, Drago and Dascha von Forell and grandfather of Bronco von Zenn & Bingo von Ellendonk.

He was owned by the very well known judge Ottmar Vogel, who also was the founder of the Wilden Markgraf kennel.

Vilja, later one of the females, to carry on this important bloodline, at the Fürstenfeld kennel, and the mother of ”Framo”.

The same year the W-litter saw the light. (21.04.) out of Bordo & Ina. Again a very strong line breeding. Some of the most important dogs out of this combinations were Windo, Welda and Wilma
The male Windo and the female Welda carried on the tradition at the Fürstenfeld kennel. Wilma on the other hand went to the Eichenhain kennel, were she continued the success of the Eichenhain dogs, which was started by her 3/4 brother “Jago”.

The last litter that year, at the Fürstenfeld kennel was the Z-litter (03.05) out of Odin (78688) & Blacky of Fayette Corner 1967 was the last year, were we find the significant combination Bordo and Cita.

It was the second A-litter (05.04.) The same year we see the W-litter repeated as the second B-litter (08.04.) Out of these two litters, the only dog - to our knowledge - which was actually used for further breeding, was the male Bordo 2.

The breeding pattern of kennel Fürstenfeld continues up through time, which you will observe in the following combinations.

C-litter (01.10.67) Bordo & Blacky

D-litter (01.03.68) Windo (79819) & Orsa (78693)

E-litter (15.03.68) Windo & Ina

F-litter (22.06.68) Windo & Vilja (79816)

G-litter (13.03.69) Windo & Blacky

H-litter (27.08.69) Vello (79814) & Welda (79823)

I-litter (02.09.70) Miko (78340) & Ina

J-litter (06.06.70) Framo (81094) & Orsa

K-litter (25.07.70) Quing D Estelle de la Mur (lof 79191385) & Farina (81089)

L-litter (01.03.70) Windo & Inda (81869)

M-litter (03.04.71) Windo & Blanka v. Klippeneck (81902)

Pedigree Blanka v. Klippeneck:

Vello v. Fürstenfeld Bordo v. Fürstenfeld Lump v. Hagenstolz
Inka v. d. Nordburg
Citta v. Fürstenfeld Lump v. Hagenstolz
Carmen v. Felsingpass
Ossy v. Spessart Kandy v. Fürstenfeld Bordo v. Fürstenfeld
Citta v. Fürstenfeld
Jessy v. Spessart Citto v. Fürstenfeld
Goldine v. Spessart

O-litter (25.02.72.) Windo & Orsa

P-litter (02.03.72.) Windo & Inda (81869)

R-litter (22.06.72.) Bordo 2 (80232) & Farina (81098)

S-litter (13.03.75) Nino (83294) & Onda (83895)

T-litter (22.03.75.) Nino & Malina (83050)

U-litter (12.03.75.) Framo & Rana (84321)

V-litter (03.09.75.) Orlino (83855) & Nadia (83298)

W-litter (19.02.76.) Nino & Malina

Z-litter (22.02.76.) Nino & Rana

After having gone through the alphabet the second time Kennel Fürstenfeld ends its breeding history in Germany.

It seems that a lot of these breedings disappear out of Germany. We do know, that a lot of these dogs were exported to England, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Italy and France We do hope that these dogs have continued their importance to the Dobermann breed in these countries. Any information would be welcome! Why, do we believe, that the “Fürstenfeld” dogs, are of such high importance to the breed even today? We can only give out the results of our own experience and of course the results of any breeding, where these dogs are represented and do not forget, from which dogs this bloodline sprang. If we look back into the pedigrees, which were mentioned earlier, we find that

Lump v. Hagenstolz - was a world-winner twice (1956/1957) and SchH I.

Carmen v. Felsingpass - Bundessiegerin 1957, International champion - SchH I

Lump produced the following offspring, some of these with Carmen.

Titus Germania - Bundessieger 1961 - SchH I

Citto v. Fürstenfeld - Dutch Winner 1959

Citta v. Fürstenfeld - International champion, Swiss champion and Bundessiegerin 1959

Alfa v. Wappen zu Bremen - Bundessiegerin and IDC-Siegerin 1960, International champion, SchH I and passed the Körung

Falko v. Hagenstolz - Bundessieger 1963 - SchH I


Even though Lump himself was described to have too light eyes, to be a little weak in his pasterns, none of these faults were passed on to the above mentioned dogs. It seems that he carried on the best qualities he had himself, like - powerful, alert, excellent reach of the neck, well angulated and a good head.

Citto, had all these qualities, but more than that, his head was much better, it was wonderful. Besides that, he was praised for his superb dark markings.

His offspring like

Arco of Fayette Corner - International Champion - IDC-Sieger and SchH III

Rado v. Fürstenfeld - Bundessieger and Amsterdam Winner 1967, Dutch and International champion - SchH I

Ember v. Weinberge - Bundessiegerin 1961 - SchH I

Ina v. Fürstenfeld - Bundessiegerin 1962 and her mother Tonka Germania, a full sister to Titus.

Blanka v. Hohenwürzburg - Bundessiegerin 1963, Swiss Winner - SchH I

all inherited these qualities.

Lex v. Forell - a son of Titus - became Bundessieger 1964 and SchH I. He, like his father, had all the previous described qualities.

Citta, the full sister of Citto, and the mother of

Mecki v. Fürstenfeld - Bundessieger, Dutch champion 1965 - International champion and best male at the world Show in Brünn - SchH III

Miko v. Fürstenfeld - DV Sieger, International champion and Luxembourg champion - SchH I

Mascha v. Fürstenfeld - Bundessiegerin 1965, DDR and Italian Siegerin, German and International champion - SchH III

Vello v. Fürstenfeld - SchH III - passed the Körung

Verry v. Fürstenfeld - SchH III and German working champion

Vilja v. Fürstenfeld - Bundessieger 1967

was described as an outstanding female with no serious faults. Like her brother she had all the qualities which could be desired and which she carried on to her off-spring.

Argus v. Neroberg - Bundessieger 1963 and SchH III, his mother was Gina v. Fürstenfeld.

Anja v.d. Siegfriedshöhe - Bundessiegerin 1969 - SchH I

Armin Meckie v. Rotenfeld - Bundessieger 1969 - SchH III

both out of Mecki v. Fürstenfeld.

Palma v. Ellendonk - Bundessiegerin - SchH III - passed the Körung and German working champion, her father was Miko v. Fürstenfeld.

Afra v. Bavaria - Swiss and International champion, DV-Siegerin 1972 SchH III, her mother was Mascha v. Fürstenfeld.

Gravin Faby v. Neerlands Stam - Bundessiegerin 1971, Dutch and Luxembourg champion, Dutch winner 1968/1969

Graaf Gento v. Neerlands Stam - Dutch champion and winner 1968

both out of Rado v. Fürstenfeld.

And the two full brothers Bryan and Bonni v. Forell,

Bryan - Champion in Norway and Sweden

Bonni - German and International champion - Bundessieger 1970 - SchH I

And not to forget - the D - litter out of Forell (Drago and Dascha) - which were the same combination as the B - litter.

Boy v.d. Mühlenbirke - German Dobermann Club Winner - passed the Körung for life 1A - SchH III all out of Vello v. Fürstenfeld.

We could continue to mention dogs, which not only have very high show careers but also have shown their abilities through the working results they have achieved, all being products of these dogs or going back to these bloodlines.

The most important qualities to notice are:

Long beautiful heads - dark eyes - beautiful necklines - much nobility - lively expression - deep chests - well angulated - firm back, but sometimes not square - straight, strong bone structure, tight feet - correct movement - dark and rich tan - and not to forget: excellent character and with good working abilities.

All these dogs had the “Fürstenfeld” look, an expression which was often used and even today we ourselves see that through our own breedings.

All in all, one must give the Fürstenfeld dogs the credit, that they come from a strong and firmly nursed bloodline.

We ourselves are one of the proud owners of one of the last living direct descending females out of these bloodlines, which also carries the Fürstenfeld name.

almost 12 years old and still kicking.

By trying to show you how the Fürstenfeld dogs were bred - up through time - based on an extremely strong founded bloodline, we do hope to have provided you with some useable information and understanding of the difference between outcrossing / linebreeding / inbreeding.

But beware - before you try anything similar to the previous described combinations. There are many risks involved, even though you are an experience breeder, and believe you have the knowledge to do it. If you try anyway, you better make sure, that your breeding material is sound, healthy, without any major faults and don't have any history of degeneration.

With all due respect - be careful and respect the nature and our beloved, beautiful and noble Dobermann

For further information, you are more than welcome to contact us:

by phone: 0045 - 98 - 666119
or via E-mail
jotunheim@post.tele.dk

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